The Unshaven Avenger ([info]scion_of_chaos) wrote,
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Repeating the repeat of how a repeated repeater
I'm posting mostly becuase I feel obligated to get something down every week or so. I know, dumb idea, but it helps cleanse the works a little bit.

Is there any other person out there who actually enjoys arguing and debate for the sake of it? For the intellectual excercise and stimulation? Who wont get tired or angry, but who can debate and discuss and come to a good end?

It's a serious question. I think I've met a handful at best. People so often take arguments against their points as attacks against their beleifs. This is silly, as they most typically are not. Its very frustrating to be debating something pleasantly, and then have it turn ugly.

In other news, I've been hearing a lot about male privelige lately, and while its an interesting concept, I can't find any evidence of it in my own life. So I'm asking ya'll. Guys, ever received advantage due to your gender? Girls, ever felt disadvantaged?

Have you ever looked at something ordinary and felt the world tilt a little? Just lay there, feeling the universe twinge a little bit? Its fun, you should try it sometime.

Also, try fireworks. The journey may suck, but the explosions? Damn good.

So, there was orginally a lot of angry invective in this post. Then I realized how dumb and immature it sounded. Yes, I am frustrated at people right now. Thats just life I guess. Unfortunately,I dont have a lot of outlets for anger/annoyance/frustration right now. I apologize if my posts are bitchy in the immediate future. Just a lot of BLAH and nowhere for it to go.

So, here's my request. From this point forward, lets try it from square one. Put the past behind us, if its possible. I'm asking for clemency. I've made my share of mistakes, but I'm growing and changing. If you're angry with me, or annoyed at me, tell me what it is and we'll talk about it, try and work something out.

Did I do some dumb things in the past? sure. Do I still do dumb things sometimes? sure. Am I growing anhd changing? Yes. And I'm asking you to work with me.


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[info]backwardschaos
2006-07-06 07:03 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure about male privilidge perse, but I notice things in different workplaces.. some bosses prefer male workers to female workers and allow either gender to shirk obligations because of this preference. It's extremely aggrevating.

Another gender disadvantage that hits me pretty hard is athletics... Guys are generally assumed to be better at sports because they're bigger and stronger [which also bothers me, but it's not a social concept, I'll have to take up genetics with god I suppose] which is many times, but not all times, the case. And you know me, that bothers me.

I've never personally been subject to anything severe other than that, however as I type this I recalled an instance last week. I was out with my boyfriend and before we had even gone out, it had been established that on that particular evening *I* was taking him out for dinner. When the check arrived at the resturant, it was placed directly in front of my boyfriend.

Just interesting.

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[info]scion_of_chaos
2006-07-06 08:08 pm UTC (link)
How do you mean shrink obligations? Like males getting a lighter workload than females?

The atheltics thing is different though. Genetically speaking, men are generally stronger in their upper bodies, whereas women are stronger with their hips and legs. As the most noticeable muscles are those on the arms and the chest, can you really blame that kind of prejudice when its generally true?

The resturaunt thing is interesting though. I know its still an issue today of whether the guy should pay or not. Is it respectful, or sexist? Thanks for sharing though :-)

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[info]backwardschaos
2006-07-06 09:22 pm UTC (link)
Yes, exactly. Or allowing males to choose the obligations they wish to fulfill while forcing females to complete things that the males don't want to do. I.e. At my current job EVERYONE is supposed to help in answering the telephones, but only Helen and I, the females are pestered about helping and forced to do so. They have given us message pads and seated us near phones. The boys are also asked to answer the phones, albeit flippantly and aren't badgered about completing the task.

And no, I can't. I was meerly pointing out an example as you requested. :)

Well, as far as the last issue, I think the respecful thing to do, as most resturants DO do, is to place the check in the center of the table, thereby not suggesting anything by it besides the fact that it needs to get paid. :P

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[info]littledarkvoice
2006-07-07 04:59 am UTC (link)
The atheltics thing is different though. Genetically speaking, men are generally stronger in their upper bodies, whereas women are stronger with their hips and legs. As the most noticeable muscles are those on the arms and the chest, can you really blame that kind of prejudice when its generally true?

A better example of how sports can be sexist is illustrated in the fact that men's sports are frequently referred to as just "sports" and women's sports are called "women's sports." If you think about it, there's no real reason why one should be qualified and the other not qualified. Now, my buddy angisageek is a huge sports fan, who participates in online discussions with other fans, both male and female. One of the things she's mentioned is that "women's sports" are seen as this weird fringe group, taken less seriously and funded considerably less. Unless a male sports fan is watching "women's sports" for the "hot chicks", it apparently reflects poorly on his masculinity.

Despite general genetic differences in strength, flexibility, and stamina, men competing in athletic activities is no more serious or trivial than women competing in athletic activities. And yet "women's sports" are often considered a joke, despite the fact that female athletes worked hard to be able to compete. This is sexist, and should be changed.

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[info]drumrollz
2006-07-06 08:20 pm UTC (link)
"So, here's my request. From this point forward, lets try it from square one. Put the past behind us, if its possible. I'm asking for clemency. I've made my share of mistakes, but I'm growing and changing."

Ok!

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[info]littledarkvoice
2006-07-06 08:50 pm UTC (link)
Here are a few small ways I've felt disadvantaged because of male privilege:

-Perhaps the first time I ever really noticed male privelege in action was in fourth grade, when I noticed that I raised my hand as frequently as a specific boy in class, but got called on considerably less. It frustrated me enough that I began to take a tally, and when I confronted the teacher about it she said she hadn't even noticed.

-My grandmother has told me, directly, that the reason I am not good at math is because I'm a girl.

-In high school, I worked my ass off to attend one of the top academic institutions in the country. Because this instituion is, by the way, all women, I have had grown adults, who I barely know, joking about it being a "finishing school." Despite the fact that these are "only jokes", I find it a pretty offensive joke to make, considering how hard I work there.

-At work, my co-workers used to refer to times when I will get married and when I will have children. The expectation was never there that I might not. Their heterosexual privilege, too, comes into play here, because they automatically assumed me to be heterosexual as well.

These are just a few of the things I've experienced, and I could probably list more, given time. You might say "this is just the way life is", but there's no reason it HAS to be, which is why I try and call bullshit when someone tells me I'm only at Bryn Mawr to be a trophy wife.

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[info]scion_of_chaos
2006-07-07 03:34 am UTC (link)
Is the first necissarily male privelige though? I mean, I see how it could be, but did the teacher ever say she picked the kid becuase he was male?

why are you offended, though, by jokes about your school or implications that you're going to get married and have kids? I mean, people joke about my school being rampantly gay, as its technically an all boys school, but that doesnt bother me. What is it that bothers you?

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[info]littledarkvoice
2006-07-07 04:45 am UTC (link)
The point isn't whether or not she did it deliberately. The point is the kind of behavior it reinforces. Later on, in high school, I found out that this was not an isolated phenomenon, when Blakeslee referenced studies that found teachers called on male students s significantly more than they did female ones.

Now, think about what we learned about reinforcement. Being called on and getting to answer a question acts as reinforcement for a girl raising her hand and being willing to speak. A girl who's called on less is receiving less encouragement to voice her opinions to a class. This may encourage a girl to stop participating, and to stop speaking up for herself in the classroom setting. She might not think the exact words "because I am a girl, my opinion is not valued", but if she's internalized that shutting up, it's still problematic.

Part of understanding male privilege is understanding that it isn't a vast conspiracy. It's not like the men of the planet get together and snicker and say, "Let's oppress some girls!" Rather, it's internalized attitudes that we-- men AND women-- take for granted, but that present a barrier to equality. By becoming aware of these attitudes, and realizing that there's no reason we have to behave that way, we get closer to a better culture.

I get offended by the joke that "Bryn Mawr= finishing school" because a) frequently those who make the joke don't know me all that well, and b) there are actually people out there who don't believe women's colleges provide a person with "real education." When I don't know the person well, how can I assume that they actually don't believe a word of what they just said?

I get offended by the notion that I'm going to be married and have kids someday because it's presented as a when and not an if, that "married with children" is a natural state for all women, and that those women who don't conform to the standard are somehow abnormal. And you know what? I probably will marry and have kids someday, presuming it's legal. Women without kids are often forced by society to give damn good reasons why don't want/have kids, and then they're frequently told that these reasons are selfish.

Admittedly, a lot of these things I brought up may sound trivial individually, but they do add up. If a girl's gets it into her head that it's useless to try and speak her mind in class, and that it's useless to make medical complaints because doctors don't take her seriously (other studies have proven that women's medical issues are often dismissed as "not real"), and that it's useless to be legitimately angry because people are always dismissing it as PMS... pretty soon she will think it is useless to say "no" when her significant other pressures her to have sex she doesn't want to have. And that's so incredibly wrong.

(As a side note, I'd like to point out that the times I feel most disadvantaged-- and therefore the times I notice the most-- are when my female status and my homosexual status work together against me.)

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[info]nachtgeist
2006-07-06 09:50 pm UTC (link)
Here's nothing about male priviledge or female disadvantage or anything, just something I've been quietly fuming about.

You godmodded my character. I did want you to play my brother, I did NOT want Eric Clapton's guitar. That conversation I am retromodding to have never happened. DO NOT DO IT AGAIN. yes, Dani and Dorian have a shared past, they're siblings. But Dorian does not know everything about Dani. Don't do it again.

Yes, it took me time to tell you this, because it took me a while to decide whether or not it was worth bringing it up. But I figure I might as well tell you before the RP begins. If you something like you did with the guitar, or with bringing in your own NPC's just to show off how awesomely badass your character is in the RP itself, you and I will have some more words.

But now you've been justly warned, and I'll trust you to refrain from such behavior in the future.

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[info]kaidakoto
2006-07-06 11:27 pm UTC (link)
I've only ever recieved female disadvantages with talking with mechanics who are usually greasy old men who expect women to still have 'dress allowances'.

I've definatly had the 'finishing school' remark made, but I don't take it seriously at all. Because clearly, if you think I could even make it through finishing school, you don't know me. =P Also, some people do make references to 'when' I have kids or get married. This bothers me a little bit, but then again, the people who make those remarks clearly don't know me. I do not consider myself a 'settled' person by any means. I get restless being at home for more than a month. Also, I'm 20. Not a teen anymore, but still pretty young. I don't know what I want, and I'm also convinced that the people who think they know exactally what they want out of life are very wrong.

I don't know...I guess I enjoy debate. But honestly, it can't keep me interested very long because my thoughts are constantly moving. Unless I'm very knowledgeable about the subject I usually am not interested. Or if the subject bothers me on some personal level, but there are hardly any topics like that (we've had a discussion on one that I cut short). I prefer for people to tell me about something and then let me ask questions. Or I like to talk about something and then have the other person correct me and then we chat about how/if I was wrong/they were wrong or if it's a matter of oppinion. I LOVE those. I, personally, kind of like being told that I'm wrong about achidemic topics because I learn more that way.
Let's face it, all of my friends from high schools are going to 'real schools' and are learning a lot more about a completely different field. I'm very interested in what you guys are learning and like to be taught things.
I'm very INTP in that way; I like learning things, but not applying them to practical use. Heh. I generally don't pipe up with any intelligent conversation unless it's kind of random trivia. If there's a conversation going on I usually don't join in. Eh, I tend to remember more of what I've learned when I get on the thought pattern myself and not with a group.

I thought you were a lot less angsty when you came back during witner break, but it seems that you've started again with a vengance. This isn't necissarily bad, because self-analyzation is always good. But I usually don't focus on self-analyzation until a sort of 'reflecting point' in life. Aka: right before a semester or right after, before/after the summer. Birthdays, New Years, etc. So most of the time I'm not really focused on self-analyzation. I try not to angst (at all really) because if there's nothing I can do about whatever I would angst about, then it's useless getting upset over it. I tend to have the 'grab the bull by the horns' mentallity and simply take care of things rather than fret or worry. Since I'm a rather busy person with a lot (maybe too much for my own good) of ambition worrying is something I do when I'm bored. (When I'm not practicing trombone or voice/reading/taking a walk/hanging out with friends/plotting with Tom/taking care of the legistics involved for the trips I tend to take.) So far, I like this attitude, because I feel that it has made a more balanced/productive person.

Well, I hope you enjoyed these random thoughts. =D

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[info]scion_of_chaos
2006-07-07 03:40 am UTC (link)
Yeah, it seems like those without education do tend to be more sexist. Not always, but it seems to be a trend. Blah.

Its less angst and more people really not liking me. At all. Which puts me in bad situations.

I also am rarely, if ever, allowed to explain myself. Its complicated, if you really wanna chat about it sometime, let me know.

I do appreciate the thoughts though ;-)

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[info]kaidakoto
2006-07-07 03:49 am UTC (link)
haha yeah definitely

if you can catch me before I leave town for a month

also, I may be bringing Tom back with me, which means I'll be watching movies late at night and not wandering with you.

so yeah, catch me before I leave on the 10th. =P

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[info]bespeckldmonkey
2006-07-06 11:54 pm UTC (link)
"Is there any other person out there who actually enjoys arguing and debate for the sake of it? For the intellectual excercise and stimulation? Who wont get tired or angry, but who can debate and discuss and come to a good end?"

Pulak. So basically, freaks.

Having passion about beleifs is important. Otherwise, why are you talking about them?

Oh, I know. BECAUSE YOU'RE A FREAK WHO WANTS TO BE LIKE BLAH BLAH BLAH I"M SO SMART~~
(okay obviously that's not directed at you T_T)

And yeah I've never felt the male priveledge thing in my life.
However, I've never felt anti-semetism in my life. That doesn't mean I don't believe it's out there or can't think it's wrong. And that I wouldn't be quick to defend and publicise someone who told me what happened to them.

And as for the last bit, I am mad at you. Because you keep giving me advice that's basically you telling me to do things you wish you could do. And I think you're brave enough to do them. Go forth. and stuff. do things. yeah :-P

yay for spelling T_____T

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[info]scion_of_chaos
2006-07-07 03:41 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I'm just evil and annoying like that :-P

Plus, one can have passion without being extreme. I swear the two get confused waaaaaay too often. If you're not fiery and obsessive an absolute, you dont have passion/dont care. Not always, but I've been accused of that before. So not cool -_-

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[info]ladycrysiana
2006-07-07 12:20 am UTC (link)
I think the problem with the discussion (other than working off of different points for discussion) really started with this:

Girl-Wonder, on the other hand, really didn’t sit nearly so easily with me. Their language is all about unearned male privilege. This is the crap I've been hearing since 11th grade English. That being a white male makes my life sunshine and flowers and cake.

Except, these lists all leave off important things. Like that being a white male guarantees I'm assumed to be sexist, racist, and rich. That being a male means that I'm automatically assumed at fault in ANY sexually related case, even if the girl is lying.

It's one of the problems of talking about white privilege, or male privilege - it's easy to sound like someone is culpable of something, when it is just that someone participates in something, which doesn't necessarily indicate personal guilt. A personal responsibility to try to help change things, possibly, though that was a point of contention, if I recall.

At any rate, saying that someone has white/male privilege isn't saying that x-person is personally doing anything wrong. It is, however, recognizing that they benefit from a system that is in place in society. No one said you were racist, sexist, or rich, and no one expects life for white males to be sunshine and roses. On the other hand, you are also infinitely less likely to, for example, have people discuss how you must have slept your way into a job regardless of the qualifications you may have, or for people to hesitate to hire you for a job on the basis that you might get married and have children someday.

You are not personally culpable for people not thinking these things about you, and recognizing that some, if not many, people think this way is not an admission of sexism on your part. Just that you don't experience disadvantages that women do in a society rife with sexism.

I'll admit that while the media can be disheartening in rape cases, I prefer the current standard to that of some years ago where the girl was automatically branded a slut, unmarriageable, and often left either as a burden on her family or simply turned out of her home. All the statistics that I have seen have given rape a very low false report rate, and there is also evidence that a good many rapes go unreported, and so, while I find your anger on the subject understandable, I don't think it signifies.

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[info]scion_of_chaos
2006-07-07 03:44 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I was a bit hasty there. It was late at night, and I was beign more emotional and less rational. Whoops :-P

It just bother me that everyone focuses on the positive aspects, but not the negative aspects. For every list of unearned male privelige, there should be an equal list of unearned male punishments. Make sense at least?

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[info]cyanlotus
2006-07-07 01:56 am UTC (link)
Okay, I'm not really one to talk, since I had to look it up to make sure, but I'd like to point out that in your post, and the replies to it, "privilege" is spelled:
1. privilidge
2. privelige
3. privilege - DING! Littledarkvoice got it!
4. priviledge
5. priveledge

Maybe that post of Meghan's about simplified spelling really WOULD help... but then we'd still try and spell it with the previous spellings of "ledge" and "lige".
That being said, I love debate for the sake of intellectual exercise. You, sir, change positions in arguments quite frequently. But I'll still take ya on.

As for male privilege, well...
Y'all make a $1.00. Women make about $0.75. That's about how it goes.
Which is not to say it isn't improving - in 1967 we were making 58 cents to your dollar. Now, the gap gets better if you're not caucasian- but that's because the men aren't making as much as white men anyhow.
Education does not actually help. For a woman with a Doctorate, she's still making 75% of what a man with that degree makes. It's, believe or not, a better gap (76% of the man's earnings) at a less-than-9th-grade education.
That gap doesn't change depending on the occupation - female teachers (mostly female occupation) still make less than male teachers. It doesn't change based on how MUCH the woman works either.
This pisses me off. I can go to school and get two degrees, be ridiculously qualified and personable (not to mention GORGEOUS. ha.) and I might get hired - but my colleague, say a male scene designer, is making more than I am. Because he's male.

-- I checked my stats on www.womensmedia.com and ncesonline.org.

Personally, I've felt that @ Shadowland. Working more and doing a better job than some of the pothead 15 year olds still meant I earned less. So I quit.

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[info]bespeckldmonkey
2006-07-07 02:12 am UTC (link)
Is this just women in general, or women with a job?
society is more accepting of women who don't work. You have to factor in the personal choice of a woman not to work, which would then lower the average income for women in any specific category.

What about women doctors like my mother, who choose to work only three days a week to be home with us? Then there's my friend Dr. Heir, male, exact same profession and schooling as my mother, who works his ass off and on weekends (not that my mother doesn't work her ass off for us--just that some larger percentage of that work is more us-centric than her job centric) and probably takes in more money as a result. He also happens to be half-black, and half-spanish, coming from a very poor family. I'm just saying, those statistics might be saying something, but I'm wary to take them as the be-all end all say on what the situation is because I feel like there are other gender-based situational factors that might play a part.

I'm also not saying that it's good or fair for society to be more accepting of the stay-at-home mother than the stay-at-home father. I don't know. I'd just like to think about it some more before drawing conclusions.

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[info]cyanlotus
2006-07-07 07:06 pm UTC (link)
Women with jobs. So all the stay-at-home stuff really doesn't apply. But still.

Obviously situational factors mess with things- but it's still (from various sources) across the board sucky for women.

And, honestly, if I'm gonna have kids- the father better be a stay-at-home dad or accept that our kids will be latch key kids.

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[info]scion_of_chaos
2006-07-07 03:45 am UTC (link)
Ok, that isw wrong and stupid. I never understood why someone would pay a girl less. They tend to be harder workers, at least at my jobs.

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[info]morchades
2006-07-07 04:07 am UTC (link)
The earliest form of privilege I remember is my older sister and I not ever being asked to help out in the garage, but my brother (younger than my sister) being nagged for it.

While this sounds like it's a point for females being privileged, it's not. My sister and I suffered in the long run, as my brother knew how to handle a car at 14 from his work over there, and he knew all the basics of car care. My father started teaching me to drive when I was 16, but he was impatient and it was unplease and I didn't get my license at 18. He never even looked into teaching me how to care for my car until after I was 19, in the military, stationed across the country and buying my first car. He gave me tips over the phone. My brother never has to visit a mechanic, except to save time. My sister can do a little, but only because she pestered him, and most of the car care is done by Dad.


Don't get me wrong, my father is a wonderful man, and remarkably progressive in other ways, but he slipped up when it came to a lot of stuff He never stood in my way for anything, never stood in my brother's way either. But my brother got nagging and expectations I didn't, which resulted in his learning vital skills far earlier than I did.

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[info]scion_of_chaos
2006-07-07 04:26 am UTC (link)
see, but I had the same treatment. As a son, I was expected to help out. I really didnt want to, and as a result, resented my sisters. I was male, so I had to helop out with all the heavy lifting and mechanical crap? why?

I see your point though, and that does sound like a rather unfriendly situation

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[info]tekanji
2006-07-07 04:16 am UTC (link)
If you're really interested in learning and growing, I highly recommend reading my post How to be a Real Nice Guy.

Right now, you're using your privilege in order to remain ignorant that privilege exists. You aren't a bad person for having privilege, and it's understandable that you are getting defensive and resisting acknowledging it. But now it's up to you to learn what privilege is and what it means for minority groups.

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[info]scion_of_chaos
2006-07-07 04:31 am UTC (link)
See, I've tried reading it, and to be honest, I think its wholly unfair.

You claim my privelige. EVERYONE has talked about my privelige. When someone can show me a way where my privelige has helped me, I'll be glad to listen.

Except, all it gets me is things like the job of ALWAYS loading heavy objects, mowing the lawn, and shoveling the driveway. It got me the job of mopping and sweeping the store at work, instead of the nice easy job of cleaning the dishes.

Everyone acts like I have all these benefits from being male, but I have yet to see a single one. Everything I got in this life I either worked for or was born with. Do I have upper-class privilege? sure. Male privilege though simply is wholly unconvincing.

I do appreciate the advice, but I cant accept it until I've seen it

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[info]phyrry
2006-07-09 07:28 am UTC (link)
Hey, you might want to try reading the Feminist Gaming Manifesto (there is also a part two). I think it may deal with some of the problems you've expressed here and elsewhere.

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